109 replies to this topic

[Lighty]

Would suggest something along the lines of:

Guadalcanal: No baseraping of any kind, no pixeling, normal spawntimes for equipment and infantry, 400 tickets or so.

Field of the Fallen: "Main" uncap (+no rape), no nades or x-packs, normal 20+3 spawntime.

Aberdeen: Main uncap (+no rape), no pixeling, no jeeps or other funny business, normal spawntime (maybe slightly lowered for tanks).

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Btw, what is up with the bitching about XXX having 0 ping. He is 1 guy out of maybe 20-30 on a team and he has to do admining at the same time,lol?
Tbh, having the server located in Denmark will probably make it harder for a lot of the european players.

Good job X=X=X for doing something for the community.

Edited by Lighty, 13 September 2011 - 04:03 PM.

[CrazyMachine]

I think the people are glad someone is doing something to have some fun here.
And Im thankfull that he is willing to organize this.

But the main reason why people start hating/bitching on him is because he keeps talking about that ping crap in every single topic there is.
He thinks it makes a different that USA people got a lower ping.
Others think it doesnt.
Lets keep it that way.. Let people believe what they want to believe and dont start arguing everywhere on the forums.
I dont hear others being pissed about the ping. Thats the choice of playing on an USA server..

Im willing to help so I will PM X tomorrow with my thoughts about it.
And seeing where he needs some help.

Again. Its great that he is doing this for the players. Thumbs up X ;-)

[Bullet-BS]

so hopefully I can get an admin to edit the match summary for me … once the details are settled.

You pick a post number you would like to have all the changes made too and PM me the update and I will edit your post for you. Will that help/help?

[X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X]

ok ... i'm willing to cut stali tdm away ... which leaves just 4 maps to play ... and a duration of 2 hours ..


wake cq ----- 35 minutes ----- all-round map
coral cq ----- 25 minutes ----- primarily piloting
omaha cq ----- 30 minutes ----- primarily infantry
aberdeen cq ----- 30 minutes ----- primarily tanking

remember ... it's one round on each map only, not two ...

and then the plan is to repeat this exact map-rotation in usa vs. world part 3

does anyone object to this ?

Edited by X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X, 14 September 2011 - 09:27 AM.

[Captain John H. Miller]

But if we play only 1 round on unbalanced maps wouldn't that be unfair for the team that has a disadvantage?

[X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X]

no, because the plan is to repeat this exact map-rotation in usa vs. world part 3


world plays allies on all maps in this match, and then as axis on the same maps in part 3 ..... that way it gets totally balanced ....

and this is not a pure clan / competition match ... its primarily a fun match .... so things don't have to be 100 % balanced .... although they mostly will be


10 americans quit in round 2 of match one, making the teams unbalanced ....



and a lot of players on one of the teams might quit again in this match too ... ruining the balance .....



so please realize and accept that matches like these never will be 100 % balanced

Edited by X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X, 14 September 2011 - 10:36 AM.

[Alvin Tostig]

no, because the plan is to repeat this exact map-rotation in usa vs. world part 3

if the intention is to repeat with the exact map-rotation in pt. 3, then the maps selected are fine. i do feel like this is still a bit long. IMO, I would shoot for an hour and a half of gaming.

[X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X]

why is it that most of the participants have no problems with gaming 4+ hour sessions day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year on moon tdm .... totaling thousands and thousands of hours of bf1942 ....

but won't / aren't willing / can't stand / don't have the time, to play 2 hours of event gaming, one time every second month ?

Edited by X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X, 14 September 2011 - 10:41 AM.

[gregefc]

why is it that most of the participants have no problems with gaming 4+ hour sessions day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year on moon tdm .... totaling thousands and thousands of hours of bf1942 ....

but won't / aren't willing / can't stand / don't have the time, to play 2 hours of event gaming, one time every second month ?

so obvious youve never played matches.

[birney]

Crazy machine

Part of the Euro v USA challenge was regarding ping, to see how a higher ping for the US players would/could affect the outcome of a game. Yes x=x does go a a little about it, but so did every one else.

XXX[u]

The difference is one of mindset. You have posted this a a match and it does not matter how friendly you think the game will be that one word makes a huge difference. As far as I remember twl matches, indeed any other match did not go on of two+ hours. While people are still playing this great game they are in fact giving up there gameplay time to compete in a match. This is two hours they could be in another server with there friends playing for fun, without worrying about tactics or if there team is winning and loosing. Some of the people posting here, like creamzor and gregefc, no guts. have all played in matches on a regular basis, so have I for that matter, and we are telling you in the politest way possible that six maps and two+ hours is way to much. I guarantee you that people will start to leave after the second map!

Further, competition gameplay is all but dead in bf42. We had a tournament or two a few years ago at moongamers. The first tournament was quite successful, while the second..well not quite so. People have lives, they have work, school, college, people leave the game. The first match you had was successful because people wanted a little bit of competition. Hornets scrim will prove to be successful. This second match may or may not be successful, but I guarantee a third or even a fourth match will not be. The commitment wont be there, the players wont be there.

[X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X]

i appreciate the politeness ...

and i am too saying the following very kindly and politely ...


i'm not spending 30+ hours of my personal free time, organizing a match thats over in 1 - 1½ hours ... either a minimum of 2 hours / 4 maps, or i wont take part of it ...

if anyone wants to take over ... be my guest ... ill still offer to host matches on my server .... but i'm not gonna do the part that is most time consuming .... recruiting people ....

posting in various forums including this, will never yield 40+ players ... a lot of other stuff needs to be done ... that takes tens of hours ....



birney said :

"they are in fact giving up there gameplay time to compete in a match. This is two hours they could be in another server with there friends playing for fun, without worrying about tactics or if there team is winning and loosing"

say what ?

playing in this kind of match should never ever been seen as a duty or less fun that any other gameplay .... my vision of it is actually something that AT LEAST should be as fun as any other bf1942 gameplay ... and hopefully even more fun ....

my intention of this is NOT that it should be equal to a clan match ... more of a fun match ... if any of the potential participants rather would play other bf1942 gameplay than playing in this match ... then they should never take part of it ...


the core vision i have about this match is the following :

2½ - 3 hours of match
at least 40 players... hopefully 50+
at least 5 maps
most players should think that playing in this match should be at least as fun as any other bf1942 gameplay .... it should never be seen as a dull duty ...


i'm starting to feel that the majority of players disagree with me about what's fun and entertaining in a match like this ....


please post your opinions about the following :

match duration : 2 - 2½ hours
maps : 4 -5 played one round each ...

if many players dislike this, and want a shorter match / fewer maps .... , i will sadly have to say that my personal motivation for pouring 30 - 40 hours into this match is totally gone ...

please understand that i say this with all friendliness, i'm not trying to disrespect anybody with this, and i apologize if i'll have to abandon the organizing of this match ...

Edited by X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X, 14 September 2011 - 12:54 PM.

[birney]

Is anyone takinmg over? No? Are we TELLING you how to run it? No! we are simply giving advice..simple. Advice is just that..advice, you can take it or leave it. Yet we cant even give advice without getting a "I am going home and taking my toys with me" attitude?

It is your idea, your, server, your match, and you are free to run it however you please. I wish it every success!

[X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X]

no mr birney .... thats totally wrong ... i really appreciate and am thankful for your advice ... seriously ...

and i think you are the ones that are right and i am wrong ... seriously again ....

it turns out i have misunderstood what people like and dont like ... thats all

i'd like a long match with many maps and i thought that the majority of people wanted that too ... but i was wrong ...


all i'm saying is that i sadly don't have the personal motivation to spend loads of time creating something that is way off my initial vision

Edited by X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X, 14 September 2011 - 01:14 PM.

[gregefc]

you may be being polite in this thread, but im sick of your harassing PMs. i have not been rude to you or insulted you in any way in this thread. please lay off, dude. thanks.

[X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X]

sorry to repeat myself :


please people .... post your opinions about the following :



match duration : 2½ hours

maps : 4 -5 played one round each ...

[Monkey]

I think the nail was hit on the head when it came to terminology in this case.

Instead of calling this a 'match' since many that are still playing have played in matches, call this a "fest" instead. It makes it a bit more fun oriented and less of a balls to the wall fight.

A simple term can change the meaning of something without it being intentional.

USA vs World Fest.... gives more of a fun tone to the long time players

USA vs World Match is more of a sign up, build strats and practice often type meaning to most long term players.

As for maps... most times they are odd umber of maps/rounds total in case of a tie the last map was usually a smaller map because people drop out and near the end you have less players.

[X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X]

being so conservative, orthodox, square-minded and conformist, that people aren't able to drop their competition and clan habits as long as the words match and competition is mentioned is utterly grotesque and shocking ... it just proves that most people in this community don't want something thats slightly different and tilted .... and prefer to do the same old stuff for all eternity ....

this is what has totally killed any desire in me to organize this ....

Edited by X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X, 14 September 2011 - 07:10 PM.

[gregefc]

being so conservative, orthodox, square-minded and conformist, that people aren't able to drop their competition and clan habits as long as the words match and competition is mentioned is utterly grotesque and shocking ... it just proves that most people in this community don't want something thats slightly different and tilted .... and prefer to do the same old stuff for all eternity ....

this is what has totally killed any desire in me to organize this ....

coming from possibly the most competitive person on moon that uses the same conservative, orthodox, square-minded strategies every round...

its not about who has played comp and who has not. its about what the people want (you have asked, after all). if you want things to be your way, then do not ask for suggestions and say that your way is how it will be from the START.

you get mad at us for not completely agreeing or liking your rules and setup... you are the one seeming to be square-minded by not entertaining a lot of the suggestions.

anyways... i still think this should be market again if you are seriously trying to gauge "who is better".

[Johnny Knüppel]

[sassearge73]

when will it begin (date)?