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#1 LeftMouseShoot?

Posted 05 February 2017 - 10:59 AM

Im not entirely sure how long I have played here, I know I didn't have kids when I first started. We are all players here, countless hours of our lives we have chosen to play here. The Core has put in their time day in day out. When one has to take a break, others step up and continue it. Moongamers has done so much to keep this game, this community alive, it is sad to see how people take it for granted. It is extremely sad to see people who bitch that they don't like the way the server is watched over. Even though those same people pay for you to play here more often then not. It is depressing that people can so quickly become bitter when things don't go their way(don't worry I get upset too on occasion boo hoo for me). When people take for granted, the place they come to play, the TS** they are allowed to utilize to insult and completely be ignorant to the people who continue to keep this community afloat. I have choice words for you. Im 29 years old. I come here to relax and have fun, what about you? You might not completely agree with every little decision that is made, but you never take into account how many times things go your way. If you've played here as long as the Core, then you are an adult by now. You should know right from wrong, and know the server rules. It has been that long that you have seen people go down in flames for going against them. We have been here long enough to act like adults, and not have our friends cause a disturbance, long enough to know where to go when something happens to us in game. Start playing the game like we used too. Start remembering that without the Core, you would be playing with Bots, or 50 children who would rather constantly tk their teammates. Remember that when the weekend comes around you and your friends can jump into Moons TS and play together and chat together. Its a privilege to be a part of this community. Remember that. None of this was easy or free for the founders. They are still here, we are still here. Have fun.


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#2 Waffen

Posted 25 February 2017 - 12:46 PM

@  LeftMouseSh...  your server is empty. it will stay like that when people log in to spawn rape constantly. have fun  (25 February 2017 - 10:44 AM)

 

"It is extremely sad to see people who bitch that they don't like the way the server is watched over." "We have been here long enough to act like adults"


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#3 Lin

Posted 25 February 2017 - 01:49 PM

Leftmouse is right. Spawn camping is cheap, and discourages most players from returning. Camping is one thing but for heaven's sake, let people spawn in. This is a game that is supposed to be fun for all, not just for one or two who kill people before they can even figure out where they are or react to being shot at.



#4 HARRY TRIGGER

Posted 25 February 2017 - 05:06 PM

Little Spam :spam:    ..  Goes well with campin.      :)    Just sayin. :Jeep:



#5 LeftMouseShoot?

Posted 25 February 2017 - 05:17 PM

I apologize waffen for my strong language on shoutbox, it is frustrating though, logging in to the same garbage gameplay everyday. other servers have steady numbers, moon was struggling to keep 10 people actively playing. I jumped in, 5v6 axis with 2 of 3 flags. First thing I see is Sherman shooting at us on spawn in, illuyshin looping, 109 hitting the plane spawns while a tiger is coming up from airfield. I watched at least 3-4 different people connect to the server, assigned to allied, die 4-5 times then disconnect. Good way to seed the server? I bet it is. The rate it is going, the clock is catching up to the game. People don't want to constantly die while still in their main base.



#6 LeftMouseShoot?

Posted 25 February 2017 - 05:20 PM

oh and another thing, yes there are the few people that jump in and manage to get out, and cap a flag here or there. That's great, except when you have 3 other teammates who barely play as it is and don't work with you to try and push it back. Most will just leave the game. What would you honestly do logging in with the whole of axis spawn camping your every spawn? Honestly. I think you would do what i tried, you fight them off one by one until you realize they are flying their planes right back in for more camping. After about 6 minutes of straight shelling from multiple angles you leave. That's not how the fun is supposed to be because it makes people quit. The Fun should be bringing people back because they feel they have a chance.


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#7 Angerfist

Posted 25 February 2017 - 08:23 PM

Sadly a lot, if not the majority of our regular players enjoy harmful camping as soon and as long as they can. Combined with a playstyle which is poison for the server and the game.

 

There were situations with only 7 vs 7 players, but 4 (!) planes and 2 tanks raping the enemy main. Usually this pop should be used to seed the server to get a solid game going. Instead of holding back a bit, or at least leave the main alone, the same regular players keep on having their pittiful way of fun. It's not about fun for all, a fair fight or awesome battles, it's about beating down the other team to the bottom. The worst is when regular players who actually don't play too bad feel the need to brag and make fun about the other team.  It should be obvious that this kind of stuff is never good for the server pop, but there is either too much egoism to care or too much stupidity to realize. It's probably the egoism, because Admins trying to explain this problem since years.

 

Some players do nothing else but rape the main. Ironically a lot of those are the same hyppocrits who claim that a few elite pilots "ruin the fun". Which is of course somehow true (for their version of fun) , it's way harder to reach the enemy main with a B 17 or a tank when the other team has skilled personal. The same branch of "players" can't stop crying that the round sucks now because pilot XYZ joins and the air is "stacked" now. 20 minutes earlier, they had no issue with participating in a 4 against 0 plane stack, which of course was raping the main. That was an awesome round, gg guys.

 

The same spirit is visible when it comes to how most of them fight. If Admins wouldn't have enforced the rules, those people would do nothing but nade & expacks (and the usage is still borderline). In general, it's not about a fight and the better or more lucky guy wins. It's about making sure that the enemy dies, if anyone survives doesn't matter. Team goals don't matter. The usual loser nading / expacking his feet running away from the enemy doesn't care if teammates are around. The usual jeep guy crossing the bridge on Market Garden doesn't care if he is minimizes his team's chances when he simply drives over his team's mines. Vice versa, the jeep guy on his way to church doesn't care that he risks his own teammates life when this one is removing enemy mines. And way too often it's way more important to reach the enemy main or throw some expack from church's topfloor than helping the few guys actually trying to take and hold flags.

 

Way too often they harm their team in multiple ways, and if something happened : "sorry, was an accident that I drove over the mines you tried to remove". The same kind of "accidents" since years. Because mines on bridges on MG are very surprising. Of course it's way more important to rape the enemy main with the tank, using equipment to get flags for the team is not that cool anymore. Since it became fashionable to use explosives instead of mps or pistols in close combat, every extraordinary Sniiper or Medic gets called a hacker very quickly. Since crashing a jeep (or even a tank) into a tank is THE shit, the fewest know how to aim and use a tank, besides to park it behind a spawnpoint in a main to "own". That and the chance to make people angry seems to be enough.

 

Not to mention the planes. Even though the fewest on the server actually have enough experience to yell out an opinion, the most know what's possible or not. Most situations / happenings have a pretty simple explanation in play style and physics, but the Hedleys of this game know of course that it's BS or HACCK!!!111. Ok, why would you try to figure out the weak spots of a tank when you can ram it. No need to get better with a rifle when you can nade. Therefore, this one shot kill is total bs. Of course you won't get close to 10 % of a great pilots efficiency when your main target is the enemy main and not the decisive areas like flags.

 

There are so many obvious habits which drag the gaming quality down, and with gaming quality I mean FUN. Like Leftmouse mentioned, of course it's not bad when you can take a jeep to a far flag and take it because no one is there. But for the game it's way better if you conquer and defend the closer flags. Sure it's good if your team is way more effective than the enemy and is able to cap Caen out in 5 minutes. But instead of having a nice round on a nice inf map which is appropiate for the amount of people, you'll lose people at mapchange and the next map will be less fitting for the amount of people. A few days ago, on Bocage, their were about 12 known skilled players on Axis, and about 3 on Allies. The result was 45 minutes of camping, very nice results for Axis players and extremely bad for ALL Allied players. That's not the battle stories will be told over in decades, that's a 100 kg man feeling strong, proud and content because he crushed some ants while walking. I can't really see how a awesome score through beating down a helpless opponent has anything to do with FUN. On the other side, I'm tired to be one of the few who switch to weaker teams to balance the round a bit. Looks like way too many players prefer a slaughter than a battle.

 

It's not that hard to make 42 better for all. Focus on teamplay. Leave the god damn mains alone, especially on low pop. Play the game with each other instead of just harassing and beating down others. Keep a certain sense of fair play. A few months ago, I saw an enemy zooker having a knife fight with my teammate. I didn't attack the enemy, drove by, and instead of continuing the knife fight, the zooker asshole shot me in the back and killled me. In theory, I'd be supposed to kill every enemy who has a knife fight. But this is not war, it's a damn game. There is no need to destroy the enemy at all cost. A lost round can be an awesome round, and when you have fun, a shitty or not so good score doesn't matter. Quit using the heaviest equipment against your enemies main when it's 5 vs 5. Use common sense, after all those years of ignoring it, it's about time.


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#8 Moving Target

Posted 25 February 2017 - 09:00 PM

Wait, did I just mentally agree with Anger on a bunch of stuff?

I'll admit, I like camping mains. I've gotten to the point now where if the other side is getting a beat down, I'll just whip out my knifr and see who I can get. I don't care if they shoot back at me. I'd personally be for a tweak to the no camping rule that if one side has no flags , stay out of their main.

I'm also not far from perfect at it, but I've been working on switching sides to the losing team to help balance things out. But that honestly depends on the map + my mood.
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#9 Grassy

Posted 26 February 2017 - 09:30 AM

Sadly a lot, if not the majority of our regular players enjoy harmful camping as soon and as long as they can. Combined with a playstyle which is poison for the server and the game.

 

There were situations with only 7 vs 7 players, but 4 (!) planes and 2 tanks raping the enemy main. Usually this pop should be used to seed the server to get a solid game going. Instead of holding back a bit, or at least leave the main alone, the same regular players keep on having their pittiful way of fun. It's not about fun for all, a fair fight or awesome battles, it's about beating down the other team to the bottom. The worst is when regular players who actually don't play too bad feel the need to brag and make fun about the other team.  It should be obvious that this kind of stuff is never good for the server pop, but there is either too much egoism to care or too much stupidity to realize. It's probably the egoism, because Admins trying to explain this problem since years.

 

Some players do nothing else but rape the main. Ironically a lot of those are the same hyppocrits who claim that a few elite pilots "ruin the fun". Which is of course somehow true (for their version of fun) , it's way harder to reach the enemy main with a B 17 or a tank when the other team has skilled personal. The same branch of "players" can't stop crying that the round sucks now because pilot XYZ joins and the air is "stacked" now. 20 minutes earlier, they had no issue with participating in a 4 against 0 plane stack, which of course was raping the main. That was an awesome round, gg guys.

 

The same spirit is visible when it comes to how most of them fight. If Admins wouldn't have enforced the rules, those people would do nothing but nade & expacks (and the usage is still borderline). In general, it's not about a fight and the better or more lucky guy wins. It's about making sure that the enemy dies, if anyone survives doesn't matter. Team goals don't matter. The usual loser nading / expacking his feet running away from the enemy doesn't care if teammates are around. The usual jeep guy crossing the bridge on Market Garden doesn't care if he is minimizes his team's chances when he simply drives over his team's mines. Vice versa, the jeep guy on his way to church doesn't care that he risks his own teammates life when this one is removing enemy mines. And way too often it's way more important to reach the enemy main or throw some expack from church's topfloor than helping the few guys actually trying to take and hold flags.

 

Way too often they harm their team in multiple ways, and if something happened : "sorry, was an accident that I drove over the mines you tried to remove". The same kind of "accidents" since years. Because mines on bridges on MG are very surprising. Of course it's way more important to rape the enemy main with the tank, using equipment to get flags for the team is not that cool anymore. Since it became fashionable to use explosives instead of mps or pistols in close combat, every extraordinary Sniiper or Medic gets called a hacker very quickly. Since crashing a jeep (or even a tank) into a tank is THE shit, the fewest know how to aim and use a tank, besides to park it behind a spawnpoint in a main to "own". That and the chance to make people angry seems to be enough.

 

Not to mention the planes. Even though the fewest on the server actually have enough experience to yell out an opinion, the most know what's possible or not. Most situations / happenings have a pretty simple explanation in play style and physics, but the Hedleys of this game know of course that it's BS or HACCK!!!111. Ok, why would you try to figure out the weak spots of a tank when you can ram it. No need to get better with a rifle when you can nade. Therefore, this one shot kill is total bs. Of course you won't get close to 10 % of a great pilots efficiency when your main target is the enemy main and not the decisive areas like flags.

 

There are so many obvious habits which drag the gaming quality down, and with gaming quality I mean FUN. Like Leftmouse mentioned, of course it's not bad when you can take a jeep to a far flag and take it because no one is there. But for the game it's way better if you conquer and defend the closer flags. Sure it's good if your team is way more effective than the enemy and is able to cap Caen out in 5 minutes. But instead of having a nice round on a nice inf map which is appropiate for the amount of people, you'll lose people at mapchange and the next map will be less fitting for the amount of people. A few days ago, on Bocage, their were about 12 known skilled players on Axis, and about 3 on Allies. The result was 45 minutes of camping, very nice results for Axis players and extremely bad for ALL Allied players. That's not the battle stories will be told over in decades, that's a 100 kg man feeling strong, proud and content because he crushed some ants while walking. I can't really see how a awesome score through beating down a helpless opponent has anything to do with FUN. On the other side, I'm tired to be one of the few who switch to weaker teams to balance the round a bit. Looks like way too many players prefer a slaughter than a battle.

 

It's not that hard to make 42 better for all. Focus on teamplay. Leave the god damn mains alone, especially on low pop. Play the game with each other instead of just harassing and beating down others. Keep a certain sense of fair play. A few months ago, I saw an enemy zooker having a knife fight with my teammate. I didn't attack the enemy, drove by, and instead of continuing the knife fight, the zooker asshole shot me in the back and killled me. In theory, I'd be supposed to kill every enemy who has a knife fight. But this is not war, it's a damn game. There is no need to destroy the enemy at all cost. A lost round can be an awesome round, and when you have fun, a shitty or not so good score doesn't matter. Quit using the heaviest equipment against your enemies main when it's 5 vs 5. Use common sense, after all those years of ignoring it, it's about time.

 

 

I have been preaching your last paragraph for a couple of years now.   Do me a favor if you would....take that last paragraph and put it in the largest type you have...and hang it in the Admin locker room...lol.  Anger I agree with you 1000% percent on your last paragraph.


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#10 sagittarii

Posted 26 February 2017 - 11:51 AM

Live and let live. That will keep the server alive.



#11 Bodie the Dog

Posted 03 March 2017 - 08:37 PM

When our team is completely pwning the other, I like to "count coup," like the Native Americans.  Like by flying upside down over their base at low altitude, without shooting.  Or by knifing their tanks and hopping on top to taunt them. 

 

And FFS, let the enemy pilots take off!

 

I guess I'm preaching to the choir though.

 

BTD


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#12 Grassy

Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:20 AM

And FFS, let the enemy pilots take off!

 

I guess I'm preaching to the choir though.

 

BTD



#13 Lin

Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:23 AM

 

Sadly a lot, if not the majority of our regular players enjoy harmful camping as soon and as long as they can. Combined with a playstyle which is poison for the server and the game.

 

There were situations with only 7 vs 7 players, but 4 (!) planes and 2 tanks raping the enemy main. Usually this pop should be used to seed the server to get a solid game going. Instead of holding back a bit, or at least leave the main alone, the same regular players keep on having their pittiful way of fun. It's not about fun for all, a fair fight or awesome battles, it's about beating down the other team to the bottom. The worst is when regular players who actually don't play too bad feel the need to brag and make fun about the other team.  It should be obvious that this kind of stuff is never good for the server pop, but there is either too much egoism to care or too much stupidity to realize. It's probably the egoism, because Admins trying to explain this problem since years.

 

Some players do nothing else but rape the main. Ironically a lot of those are the same hyppocrits who claim that a few elite pilots "ruin the fun". Which is of course somehow true (for their version of fun) , it's way harder to reach the enemy main with a B 17 or a tank when the other team has skilled personal. The same branch of "players" can't stop crying that the round sucks now because pilot XYZ joins and the air is "stacked" now. 20 minutes earlier, they had no issue with participating in a 4 against 0 plane stack, which of course was raping the main. That was an awesome round, gg guys.

 

The same spirit is visible when it comes to how most of them fight. If Admins wouldn't have enforced the rules, those people would do nothing but nade & expacks (and the usage is still borderline). In general, it's not about a fight and the better or more lucky guy wins. It's about making sure that the enemy dies, if anyone survives doesn't matter. Team goals don't matter. The usual loser nading / expacking his feet running away from the enemy doesn't care if teammates are around. The usual jeep guy crossing the bridge on Market Garden doesn't care if he is minimizes his team's chances when he simply drives over his team's mines. Vice versa, the jeep guy on his way to church doesn't care that he risks his own teammates life when this one is removing enemy mines. And way too often it's way more important to reach the enemy main or throw some expack from church's topfloor than helping the few guys actually trying to take and hold flags.

 

Way too often they harm their team in multiple ways, and if something happened : "sorry, was an accident that I drove over the mines you tried to remove". The same kind of "accidents" since years. Because mines on bridges on MG are very surprising. Of course it's way more important to rape the enemy main with the tank, using equipment to get flags for the team is not that cool anymore. Since it became fashionable to use explosives instead of mps or pistols in close combat, every extraordinary Sniiper or Medic gets called a hacker very quickly. Since crashing a jeep (or even a tank) into a tank is THE shit, the fewest know how to aim and use a tank, besides to park it behind a spawnpoint in a main to "own". That and the chance to make people angry seems to be enough.

 

Not to mention the planes. Even though the fewest on the server actually have enough experience to yell out an opinion, the most know what's possible or not. Most situations / happenings have a pretty simple explanation in play style and physics, but the Hedleys of this game know of course that it's BS or HACCK!!!111. Ok, why would you try to figure out the weak spots of a tank when you can ram it. No need to get better with a rifle when you can nade. Therefore, this one shot kill is total bs. Of course you won't get close to 10 % of a great pilots efficiency when your main target is the enemy main and not the decisive areas like flags.

 

There are so many obvious habits which drag the gaming quality down, and with gaming quality I mean FUN. Like Leftmouse mentioned, of course it's not bad when you can take a jeep to a far flag and take it because no one is there. But for the game it's way better if you conquer and defend the closer flags. Sure it's good if your team is way more effective than the enemy and is able to cap Caen out in 5 minutes. But instead of having a nice round on a nice inf map which is appropiate for the amount of people, you'll lose people at mapchange and the next map will be less fitting for the amount of people. A few days ago, on Bocage, their were about 12 known skilled players on Axis, and about 3 on Allies. The result was 45 minutes of camping, very nice results for Axis players and extremely bad for ALL Allied players. That's not the battle stories will be told over in decades, that's a 100 kg man feeling strong, proud and content because he crushed some ants while walking. I can't really see how a awesome score through beating down a helpless opponent has anything to do with FUN. On the other side, I'm tired to be one of the few who switch to weaker teams to balance the round a bit. Looks like way too many players prefer a slaughter than a battle.

 

It's not that hard to make 42 better for all. Focus on teamplay. Leave the god damn mains alone, especially on low pop. Play the game with each other instead of just harassing and beating down others. Keep a certain sense of fair play. A few months ago, I saw an enemy zooker having a knife fight with my teammate. I didn't attack the enemy, drove by, and instead of continuing the knife fight, the zooker asshole shot me in the back and killled me. In theory, I'd be supposed to kill every enemy who has a knife fight. But this is not war, it's a damn game. There is no need to destroy the enemy at all cost. A lost round can be an awesome round, and when you have fun, a shitty or not so good score doesn't matter. Quit using the heaviest equipment against your enemies main when it's 5 vs 5. Use common sense, after all those years of ignoring it, it's about time.

 

 

I have been preaching your last paragraph for a couple of years now.   Do me a favor if you would....take that last paragraph and put it in the largest type you have...and hang it in the Admin locker room...lol.  Anger I agree with you 1000% percent on your last paragraph.

 

 

Get off your soapbox David. Stop blaming the Admins for everything that goes wrong on this server, it doesn't always apply. Start using your eyes and looking at everything that is going on, it is primarily players on this server who cause the quality issues, not the admins. Yes, SOME admins may also add to this but certainly not all and they aren't the cause of global warming.

 

Yeesh.


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#14 Renlist

Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:03 PM

I wish there were more appointed qualified mods/admins for when the server isn't as populated.  If not to change the map when the server resets to the same map, but to change the map to an appropriate sized one when the player count gets low, or when the map is a pathetic hopeless wipeout soon after starting. This server could use more mods/admins, or, for the existing ones to show up more often.


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#15 LeftMouseShoot?

Posted 05 March 2017 - 12:41 AM

Just so you are aware, Renlist, there was plenty of admins watching those last rounds you were a part of. Just because they are not making it obvious they are there, doesn't mean they are not. They like to play the game as well, without the constant bombardment of moaning they get from players in game. Just play the game, if its not your map take a break man. Think of the fun you have, when you do play, then consider the admins who don't get that chance when they have to police everybody when they are tagged up. Its not fun, they are not there to babysit.



#16 Hairy Russian Dude

Posted 05 March 2017 - 01:22 PM

I wish there were more appointed qualified mods/admins for when the server isn't as populated.  If not to change the map when the server resets to the same map, but to change the map to an appropriate sized one when the player count gets low, or when the map is a pathetic hopeless wipeout soon after starting. This server could use more mods/admins, or, for the existing ones to show up more often.

I'm with you on this Ren (and this is a much nicer read from you). Quite often there are maps being played that are not appropriate for the population size, or are not popular and the server clears out (watch the population on sundays from aghelia back to market). And I also agree that training more admin would be beneficial. Existing admin have lives, so train more to fill the gaps.

 

 

Just so you are aware, Renlist, there was plenty of admins watching those last rounds you were a part of. Just because they are not making it obvious they are there, doesn't mean they are not. They like to play the game as well, without the constant bombardment of moaning they get from players in game. Just play the game, if its not your map take a break man. Think of the fun you have, when you do play, then consider the admins who don't get that chance when they have to police everybody when they are tagged up. Its not fun, they are not there to babysit.

That is exactly what admin are for: to babysit the server and the players. If babysitting wasn't needed, then there would be no need for admin.

I also do not agree with telling players to "take a break". The game is dying and you don't want people to "take a break" you want them to play. This attitude ties into another thread where I had stated the server is ran as it was when it was busy.

Change is needed ladies and gentleman.



#17 LeftMouseShoot?

Posted 05 March 2017 - 02:00 PM

HRD there is ways that we as the community should go about it. Calling out your frustrations constantly in game is not the way. Play the game, if you don't like the map then explore it maybe? He hates certain maps, I hate spawncampers. I don't care what map it is, Ill play and use a different kit to make it more to my liking. I don't call the admins out for choosing said map. I don't moan everytime I die in said map. He likes to spawn camp. He has seen the population dwindle from it himself. Yet he still does it. Wouldn't it suck if the admins didn't throw a curveball once in a while? How about we play the full rotation constantly, want more time? Too bad, better yet why don't we stop the spawn camping when theres 12 people in the server. Hold back, knife fight, do something other then kill people as they try and move 4 steps on a spawn. A random map change does not damage the server, the community of people who feel the need to completely take away peoples chances of playing do. Id rather play 100 times in a row a map I don't like, be it iwo or even tobruk than to be killed on my spawn at the AF in MG, or killed at my spawn in Bocage. Battleaxe, don't get me started. You all want better gameplay, challenge yourselves to get better. Don't disconnect when you don't like the map then. Play as a medic, play as a sniper, do something other then what you are doing. Theres so many different ways to go about playing the game. Its up to you to keep it interesting for yourself.



#18 gregefc

Posted 05 March 2017 - 05:01 PM

I don't understand why people get angry and quit over trivial things such as map choice or getting killed too much or even being camped. I have fun playing this game no matter what. I've been back for 4 days now. Just yesterday I was getting owned by bot in the air time and time again... I didn't quit. I just kept trying. He even joined my team and I switched so I could keep trying... lol. I'll go 50-0 one round, then 10-30 the next. It's all the same to me. Yes I have preferences for maps... I love Berlin or stalingrad TDM because I enjoy pure infantry. I love Aberdeen because I enjoy tanking. I love Gazala because I get to dogfight. I don't care much for market, bocage, kharkov, kursk... but I still am able to enjoy them. Lighten up and play, people.

<sarcasm>
PS... get good
PS2... that angerfist admin has really got to go. I have seen him run off so many people lately. Just yesterday he was admining and he literally ran Aberdeen 25 times in a row. I asked why he was running it so much and he banned me for the rest of the day without even saying anything. He just said "stfu noob get good" and banned me. You should really do a better job vetting your administration team. </sarcasm>


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