Regarding the constant kicks of 101stAir and ·«|®|»· members
#1
Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:05 PM
#2
Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:54 PM
#3
Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:30 PM
The problem still remains, why WE get kicked and targeted by this admin for playing with friends? It just doesnt make sense. Now if we were stacking teams and being huge trolls I could understand, but we dont usually cause any grief or problems unless we start to get targeted or picked on and even then we dont say much that isnt in a joking and sometimes sarcastic manner. It's all fun and games and we know that...This admin just gets on rcon and starts causing problems with us and it sucks and makes our gaming experience a lot worse, it makes us not want to come back which according to him "I couldn't care less son". This attitude the admin takes towards us is getting old, we're not children we're all adults with jobs and kids and families that have been playing this game since the beginning. You dont know me or anything about me so how is it fair you take this "holier than thou" stance with me? It's insulting, Im not a child in fact I'm far from that. SO talk to me as an adult dont worry I can handle it I have a science degree and am about to enroll in Medical School I'm SURE I could take your "adult" stance on things as you so clearly state to us.
Thanks again, Cyak
Edited by Cyak, 28 January 2013 - 08:38 PM.
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#4
Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:25 PM
Exaggerating circumstances to gain sympathy isn't exactly showing maturity.
Three Revenant members were kicked once today. 101st Air wasn't touched. He was not the one asked to split the skill between the teams on a beatdown game, or who then ignored the request. The last time I looked up the word "constant" in the dictionary, it meant a consistent number that is more than "once".
Your clan was participating in a beatdown. Not only did you have the Allied planes on Market, but Axis planes were being stolen. The score was somewhere around 1000-ish to 500-ish. We were trying to seed the server after a crash, and the difference in skill level and advantage between the two teams was huge. I asked your clan to split the skill level between the teams today, and I took off autobalance to facilitate this. Again, the last time I looked up the word "constant" in the dictionary, it meant a consistent number that is more than "today". Much of the time, there are equal skill levels on both teams, and this entire issue is moot. I don't ask clans to split just because they're playing together, that would be silly. I enjoy playing on the same side as my friends just like you, so I completely understand that. But, when the skill level on teams is hugely unbalanced, I will leave my own squad to help balance the skill, so frankly I am not asking anyone to do something that I haven't done myself hundreds of times.
My responsibility as a server manager is to ensure fun gameplay for all of our guests, not just a few who consider themselves to be elite and untouchable. Your responsibility as a guest on our servers is to comply with our requests, which are made in the spirit of managing the server for all guests. You folks change names so much that I haven't bothered for quite some time to keep up, but one of you indicated that you didn't care about any of the other guests on the server because you were having fun. You also declared the game to be a "match". We do not run comp servers or matches, we run fun family servers for players of all ages and all skill levels. So you take offense that I called you immature? Children are very self-centered, until they mature and realize there is more to their world than themselves. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. You had no consideration or courtesy for the other guests on the server; your only concern was your own fun. Try to connect the dots and realize that fully grown humans can and will still act like children, age has nothing to do with maturity levels.
Switching teams on MoonGamers isn't difficult, I have done it for years and mostly without the benefit of using the RM. Since most "me" players like to be on whatever team is winning, most "me" players switch to that team...it makes switching to the losing team pretty damned easy. I remember one night when I was in a squad of five players, and we were playing together in TS. As soon as one team was down by 100 tickets, we all switched to that team. We must have swapped teams at least 10 times that night, over the course of several maps, and it was one of the most fun nights that I can remember. The other players on the server were content since we did not participate in a beatdown, but continued to even up the skill levels as we would bring up the scores on whatever team we were on at the time. And we continued to play all night together, as a squad. If you want to do it, it's easily done.
The following is more to all of the comp players who have been invading the Origin server lately; it is not "targeted" at your clan unless you see yourself in the description.
It is no coincidence that the disc game has been losing players to other/new games for years. But, it also lost many players whose skill level will never match those of comp players...because the game lost its fun factor. Alt whores, pixelers, nade and expack spammers, "experts" in the game sucked the fun out of it for the average player and we moved on to other games. When Origin first came out it was refreshing. We saw many new players come to a 10yr old game, and they spent time learning it and learning to enjoy it. They didn't know how to pixel, nade spam or throw expacks. They didn't alt whore or play obsessively for score. By far the majority of the new Origin players were discovering what used to be the joy of this game. Then the comp players started coming in, trash talking the new players, and once again sucking the fun out of it. Frankly my prediction is that Origin will die in March, rather than be picked up by EA as a viable older game that could have continued to bring in new players. The sad part is, this didn't have to happen but the "comp" players so much prefer the easy targets of new players over having to work for score against other long-standing, skilled players on disc. It shows in their egos, in the derision in which they address the "noobs", in the amount of trolling and trash talking that has come to the Origin server, and that is what I will continue to lobby against. I will continue to champion the average player over the highly skilled players because if I don't, average players will no longer have fun and skilled players won't have anyone to bash against their score. Both will leave and the game will eventually die, sooner rather than later.
Your argument about increasing skill level by playing against skilled players is only partially valid. Dying over and over and over again never taught anyone anything. The real good that came out of the old clans is that they spent time actually teaching new members how to use weapons, how to strat. They spent a lot of time learning the maps and learning to work as a team. This is what increases skill level, more than using new players for the latest comp target.
So go load up your disc games. Or if you lost it, it's still available for purchase for a pittance, get a new copy. Go play against players of your own skills. Leave the new Origin players to discover the fun that this game used to be without becoming the K in your KDR, or the brunt of trash talking egos. Don't teach them the "skill" of ruining the game for others and perhaps, just maybe, we'll have a new crop of players that learns to shoot instead of nading out of desperation to survive. Maybe they'll learn to throw the expacks against equipment as it was meant to be instead of using it as cheap, easy kills against infantry. Or instead of learning to alt whore for score, they'll learn skills to use planes to support their team instead of just to pad their own score.
And finally, I will admit that I kicked you all out of disgust today. While I will apologize for the emotion behind the kicks, I will not apologize for championing those who obviously needed it or managing the server for the benefit of the many, and not the few. I will not promise not to kick again when I see other players being abused by compies, and their egos and drive for easy scores. As I did today, I will always warn before I kick in circumstances such as these. Whether or not those warnings are heeded and complied with is the decision...and consequence...that will be chosen by the player(s).
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#5
Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:04 AM
Thanks, Cyak
Edited by Cyak, 29 January 2013 - 12:06 AM.
#6
Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:27 AM
Frankly my prediction is that Origin will die in March, rather than be picked up by EA as a viable older game that could have continued to bring in new players.
Off topic, but is bf1942 on Origin just a try it out type of thing for EA?
#7
Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:38 AM
1. I kicked you one time, not "constantly". Prior to today, I can't remember the last time I kicked you or even addressed you in game.
2. I am not targeting your clan, never have and never will. I simply manage the server, which
3. is nothing new. We have always asked our admins to "manage the server, not the players".
4. Nor do I have any "beef" with competition players. I have the distinct pleasure to work with several in DOD, and respect them highly.
5. It's egos I detest. If the shoe fits...
6. I was watching the server while at work, therefore had little time to sugarcoat or hand-hold my requests.
7. I did request, very clearly, that half of your team switch to try to even skill. I took off autobalance to assist. Not a single attempt was made by you or your buds to adhere to my request. And yes, two of you were dying enough times to have switched if you had the decency to respect the admin's attempts to manage the server.
1/28/2013 17:37:29 : User lin said '·«|®|»·PLEASE DO NOT STACK TEAMS'.
1/28/2013 17:38:51 : User lin said 'half of you can switch... '.
1/28/2013 17:39:40 : User lin said 'just have to try when you die, I used to do it'.
8. We don't run the servers for your whims, you are guests.
9. There is no "beck and call". We are admins, we have the interests of all players at heart, not just those who feel they are more special or who think they should be able to do as they please. You are guests in our house, therefore if we make a request of you we expect you to respect our wishes as your host. You may not like or understand it, but we're not here to hold your hands or explain everything to you. We are here to manage the servers for the benefit of ALL of the players.
10. This has already taken more of my time than I care to give, so I'm done here. Airchuck doesn't come to the forums much and hasn't been around for a few weeks. Angerfist is a Sr Admin here, while I am one of the people who started MoonGamers. He was not involved in this, and whether you like it or not you get to deal with me on this issue.
11. Apparently, if you have been kicked "constantly" then you are doing something to bring yourself into the "admin radar". One could only wonder what that may be, but apparently you are being noticed by more than me. That would make the common denominator...not me.
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#8
Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:42 AM
Origin is a demo that EA decided to produce to celebrate BF1942's 10 year anniversary. There are no expansion packs and there is no PunkBuster. EA has said that "something" will happen in March, and that the demo will no longer be available for download.
Frankly my prediction is that Origin will die in March, rather than be picked up by EA as a viable older game that could have continued to bring in new players.
Off topic, but is bf1942 on Origin just a try it out type of thing for EA?
#9
Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:13 AM
Thanks Lin, stay classy,
Cyak
Edited by Cyak, 29 January 2013 - 03:54 AM.
#10
Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:02 AM
Hello.
The sad part is, this didn't have to happen but the "comp" players so much prefer the easy targets of new players over having to work for score against other long-standing, skilled players on disc. It shows in their egos, in the derision in which they address the "noobs", in the amount of trolling and trash talking that has come to the Origin server, and that is what I will continue to lobby against. I will continue to champion the average player over the highly skilled players because if I don't, average players will no longer have fun and skilled players won't have anyone to bash against their score. Both will leave and the game will eventually die, sooner rather than later.
In regard to the quote, I would say, "Hmmm, where have I heard that before..ah yes, I remember.."
To Cyak,
Or you could play somewhere else if our methods and admins are not to your liking..
Don't really know what's going on, but, after almost nine years of running online gaming, Lin normally don't get all worked up over nothing. She cowboys sometimes, but, seems you guys really are just plain pissing her off. And in my experience, you don't want to piss off the pixie..
Do this: Rent a box, put on the 1942, get the RM, get some volunteer admins, get the TS or voice application going, get a file server for downloads for your members, get some admins for your forum, raise the money to pay for the box (Unless you have a really well off person within the clan), make up a rule set for your box and do your thing. After nine years, give me an email and let me know how you all are doing. Many have done this very successfully, even better than Moongamers with more members and/or gaming opportunities. But, we ARE still here and most of the time I think we do get it right.
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#11
Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:54 AM
#12
Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:49 AM
Hello.
The sad part is, this didn't have to happen but the "comp" players so much prefer the easy targets of new players over having to work for score against other long-standing, skilled players on disc. It shows in their egos, in the derision in which they address the "noobs", in the amount of trolling and trash talking that has come to the Origin server, and that is what I will continue to lobby against. I will continue to champion the average player over the highly skilled players because if I don't, average players will no longer have fun and skilled players won't have anyone to bash against their score. Both will leave and the game will eventually die, sooner rather than later.
In regard to the quote, I would say, "Hmmm, where have I heard that before..ah yes, I remember.."
To Cyak,
Or you could play somewhere else if our methods and admins are not to your liking..
Don't really know what's going on, but, after almost nine years of running online gaming, Lin normally don't get all worked up over nothing. She cowboys sometimes, but, seems you guys really are just plain pissing her off. And in my experience, you don't want to piss off the pixie..
Do this: Rent a box, put on the 1942, get the RM, get some volunteer admins, get the TS or voice application going, get a file server for downloads for your members, get some admins for your forum, raise the money to pay for the box (Unless you have a really well off person within the clan), make up a rule set for your box and do your thing. After nine years, give me an email and let me know how you all are doing. Many have done this very successfully, even better than Moongamers with more members and/or gaming opportunities. But, we ARE still here and most of the time I think we do get it right.
Bravo !!
As far as i know and been in bf 1942 for very long now, Moongamers was and is the best server to play this, eventualy some of this "issues" happens and admins and founders are here to assure that we, the gamers can have fun, we are humans and we can get mad or loose our temper, but then who did it need some time out of the game, walk his/her dog... get a beer etc and think about it, chill and get in again, i know as i did it many times, tearnt it after been kick and banned.
Please just realize that if you love this game, as others and i do, we, all the gamers are valuable for the survivor of the game, unless you like to play against PC spawns...... think about it.
#13
Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:00 AM
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#14
Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:33 PM
The last time I actually asked a clan on BF1942 to split up to even the sides was many years ago. That is because we have veteran players who have done this willingly and on their own for the last few years, probably due to what Rabid said about better gameplay, and recognizing that true competition in game is better than a beatdown. However, this has probably resulted in score seekers not needing to do the same, and has probably given them a sense that they do not have to do so even if requested by admin.
Cyak, you accuse me of targeting your clan; that couldn't be farther from the truth. Once a player has been kicked/banned I don't retain that information as it is my sincere hope they will learn something from the experience. There are no Player To Watch threads on you or your buds in the Admin section. That means that each individual action that may be taken on you or your friends by admins here are due to individual experiences in game. And, your clan will not be targeted due to this discussion; we don't have the need or desire to do so.
We have a clan in DOD that we used to have some difficulties with; they would stack the teams and be in VOIP doing so, and it would have a big effect on the outcomes of the maps. Over the last couple of years we have gotten to know these players pretty well, and have been building a rapport and friendship with them. They, in turn, have adapted too how we run the server. At first they would resist our attempts to balance teams. Then, over time, they would switch teams when asked and now, they watch and do it on their own. We have players who have been banned from other servers for "hacking" when they actually just have a lot of time in the game, and skill. They have appreciated having a home to play on and they too now switch teams on their own when teams are unbalanced, either skill or player-wise. This is what mature gaming veterans do to ensure good, fun games for all...not just for themselves.
Now I am done. I'm sure you will have more accusations and opinions, feel free to post them.
#15
Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:55 PM
#16
Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:02 PM
Thanks, Cyak
Edited by Cyak, 29 January 2013 - 03:13 PM.
#17
Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:20 PM
#18
Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:22 PM
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#19
Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:04 PM
Also I was unaware people even still played the disc version, last I heard it was far worse off than the origin game is, and to say that we target noobs TheTrooper is silly, we would much rather play against others that give us a challenge. So dont put words in our mouth claiming that we merely hunt out the worst of the noobs and just bombard them and own them until they hate the game, because you're far from the truth there bud.
You are misundertanding my post if you think is against you our your mates, cause is not. Calling me silly does not make your point of view stronger, just states you have a thin skin and are very self centered.
What I can now realize is that you think are the best out there and few are at your high standars to even give some chalenge, for me instead all gamers have their value, many times a "noob" as you say and i hate that term cause if you remember you also started as one, as we all did, helped me to cap a flag or fight an enemy, also not all play with a so demanding game as you claim you do, we do it for fun, to spend some time, don´t get rusty etc.
I tried to chill things out, as this thread was escalating in who did this and who did that and this is a friendly comunity, feel free to target me now if make you feel better but you will continue to bring wrong kind of atention towards you and your mates.
I have no personal agenda against you, as i say all gamers are good for the life of this game, even you.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:22 PM
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