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#1 Darkwing_X

Posted 06 March 2008 - 10:45 PM

so I've been working quite a bit on gathering up money for my new pc and June is closing in (when I wanted to get it) so I've made a few designs,all a little over $2000 (my max price being $2150)

I've come up with

-Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120MM Cooling Fan 1600RPM 28.0DBA 63.7CFM FDB
-Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Dual Core Processor LGA775 Conroe 3.0GHZ 1333FSB 4MB Retail
-Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 32BIT DVD OEM
-Samsung SyncMaster 225BW HAS 22IN Widescreen LCD Black 1680X1050 700:1 5MS VGA DVI HDCP W/ DVI Cable
-LG GSA-H54N DVD+RW 18X8X16 DVD-RW 18X6X16 DL 10X DVD Writer IDE 2MB Beige OEM W/ SW (2 of em)
-ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP ATX LGA775 P35 DDR2 1333FSB 2PCI-E16 3PCI 2PCI-E1 SATA2 Sound WLAN Motherboard
-Western Digital SE16 500GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB Cache 8.9MS NCQ Hard Drive OEM 3YR MFR Warranty
-Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500 DDR2 2GB 2X1GB DDR2-1066 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit
-PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad 750W ATX V2.2 EPS12V 24PIN SLI Active PFC Power Supply Black
-Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case 900 ATX 9 Drive Bay No PS Top USB2.0 1394 Audio
-Turtle Beach Montego DDL 7.1 Dolby Digital Live Surround Sound Card PCI W/ Digital Out
-EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GT 600MHZ 512MB 1.8GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card (2 of em)

or

-Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120MM Cooling Fan 1600RPM 28.0DBA 63.7CFM FDB
-Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Dual Core Processor LGA775 Conroe 3.0GHZ 1333FSB 4MB Retail
-Microsoft Windows xp Home 32 bit Edition OEM
-Samsung SyncMaster 225BW HAS 22IN Widescreen LCD Black 1680X1050 700:1 5MS VGA DVI HDCP W/ DVI Cable
-LG GSA-H54N DVD+RW 18X8X16 DVD-RW 18X6X16 DL 10X DVD Writer IDE 2MB Beige OEM W/ SW (2 of em)
-ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP ATX LGA775 P35 DDR2 1333FSB 2PCI-E16 3PCI 2PCI-E1 SATA2 Sound WLAN Motherboard
-Western Digital SE16 500GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB Cache 8.9MS NCQ Hard Drive OEM 3YR MFR Warranty
-Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400C4 2GB 2X1GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12 240PIN Dual Channel Memory
-PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad 750W ATX V2.2 EPS12V 24PIN SLI Active PFC Power Supply Black
-
Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case 900 ATX 9 Drive Bay No PS Top USB2.0 1394 Audio
-Turtle Beach Montego DDL 7.1 Dolby Digital Live Surround Sound Card PCI W/ Digital Out OR Creative Sound Blaster X-FI -Xtreme Audio 24BIT Sound Card 7.1 PCI-E X1 OEM
-EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GTS Ssc Crysis 112SP 576MHZ 640MB DDR3 PCI-E DVI-I HDTV DIRECTX10 Video Card


or


-Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120MM Cooling Fan 1600RPM 28.0DBA 63.7CFM FDB
-Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Dual Core Processor LGA775 Conroe 3.0GHZ 1333FSB 4MB Retail
-Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition OEM
-Samsung SyncMaster 205BW 20IN Widescreen LCD 1680X1050 6MS 600:1 DVI-D HDCP Black HAS W/ DVI Cable
-LG GSA-H54N DVD+RW 18X8X16 DVD-RW 18X6X16 DL 10X DVD Writer IDE 2MB Beige OEM W/ SW (2 of em)
-EVGA Nforce 680I LT SLI Conroe LGA775 ATX 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 2PCI SATA2 Sound GBLAN Motherboard
-Western Digital Raptor 150GB SATA 10KRPM 16MB NCQ 5YR MFR Warranty Hard Drive
-Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400C4 2GB 2X1GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12 240PIN Dual Channel Memory
-PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad 750W ATX V2.2 EPS12V 24PIN SLI Active PFC Power Supply Black
-Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case 900 ATX 9 Drive Bay No PS Top USB2.0 1394 Audio
-Turtle Beach Montego DDL 7.1 Dolby Digital Live Surround Sound Card PCI W/ Digital Out
-EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GTS Ssc Crysis 112SP 576MHZ 640MB DDR3 PCI-E DVI-I HDTV DIRECTX10 Video Card

Confilcts:

Vista vs XP- I would like to have DX10 for newer games but does it still support old ones?

video card- either the 8800 GTS 640 MB card or 2 8800 GT 512MB cards although I heard the GT runs hot

RAM- corsairs and Ballistix are the same size but I think Ballistix are faster

any ideas on what I should go with or if you can come up with something either being a combo of diff parts from those 3 ideas above or your own idea (although i need you to explain what the difference is between what I chose and what you chose)

and remember $2150 max

#2 Jac3624

Posted 06 March 2008 - 10:56 PM

I may not be ably to help a whole lot, there is one thing I can suggest. Don't go with the Creative Sound Blaster X-FI -Xtreme Audio, it doesn't have an onboard sound processor so it only emulates it. I don't know about the Turtle Beach Montego, but the X-Fi xtremegamer I have works great.

#3 mrpacs

Posted 06 March 2008 - 11:05 PM

I would add a Raptor 10,000 RPM to that Build.

*EDIT: oops, I just saw you have it in your last scenario. go for it!

#4 papaspud2142

Posted 07 March 2008 - 04:49 AM

I have 2 of the EVGA 8800gt's and I haven't had any problem with them running hot. And yes vista supports all the games XP does...it's the way to go. There are alot of naysayers but if you have a good rig you won't have any problems. I have it running on both of my pc's and it runs just fine. Also I don't think the intel based boards will run SLI. If your case has an open side to see into go for crucial ballistics tracers...they just look cool...hahaha. Micron makes the chips for almost all of those high end models anyway, so go with crucial I have had great luck with them and they overclock very well.

#5 Darkwing_X

Posted 07 March 2008 - 03:09 PM

I have 2 of the EVGA 8800gt's and I haven't had any problem with them running hot. And yes vista supports all the games XP does...it's the way to go. There are alot of naysayers but if you have a good rig you won't have any problems. I have it running on both of my pc's and it runs just fine. Also I don't think the intel based boards will run SLI. If your case has an open side to see into go for crucial ballistics tracers...they just look cool...hahaha. Micron makes the chips for almost all of those high end models anyway, so go with crucial I have had great luck with them and they overclock very well.



thanks for the input I'll check out the SLI stuff and change accordingly

#6 Dark Lancer

Posted 07 March 2008 - 05:48 PM

You might want to check out the 8800 GTS 512 with the (G92) chipset. These cards actually beat the GTX and Ultra in many areas and are a better price.

#7 Ash

Posted 08 March 2008 - 05:37 AM

You might want to check out the 8800 GTS 512 with the (G92) chipset. These cards actually beat the GTX and Ultra in many areas and are a better price.


what he said

#8 Darkwing_X

Posted 08 March 2008 - 12:37 PM

I found out that my mobo does not support SLI so I found one that does

ASUS P5N-D 750I SLI LGA775 ATX DDR2 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 2PCI 1394A GBLAN
Motherboard

only problem is no mobo supports both SLI and 1066 RAM so I will need 800's

Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400C4 2GB 2X1GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12
240PIN Dual Channel Memory

or

Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB 2X1GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-18 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory

#9 Murphyslaw4267

Posted 08 March 2008 - 12:48 PM

If you are going to use that PSU, get a full tower case. I have that PSU, and it is a good size. A full tower will also be much easier to build, and will give you much better cooling. I don't know if you will have enough room to house 2 8800GTs in a mid tower.

Murphyslaw4267

#10 Dark Lancer

Posted 09 March 2008 - 01:03 AM

I found out that my mobo does not support SLI so I found one that does

ASUS P5N-D 750I SLI LGA775 ATX DDR2 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 2PCI 1394A GBLAN
Motherboard

only problem is no mobo supports both SLI and 1066 RAM so I will need 800's

Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400C4 2GB 2X1GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12
240PIN Dual Channel Memory

or

Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB 2X1GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-18 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory


My Asus Striker 2 Formula mobo supports SLI and 1066 RAM. So you could stilll get 1066's and a nice mobo. I have Corsair CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500).

#11 Darkwing_X

Posted 10 March 2008 - 12:23 PM

a full case and that mobo will put me quite a bit over my price range =/

#12 Jac3624

Posted 10 March 2008 - 04:07 PM

If you are going to use that PSU, get a full tower case. I have that PSU, and it is a good size. A full tower will also be much easier to build, and will give you much better cooling. I don't know if you will have enough room to house 2 8800GTs in a mid tower.

Murphyslaw4267




If you can fit one in there, then you can fit two.

The last two video cards I've bought said they they where a tight fit in a mid-tower, but neither of them where no longer then my ATX mobo. Look at the length of the mobo you want and the length of the video card you want and compare them, that would be the best way to know if they will fit. One other thing to look at is the slots and what's on the other side of them, I've seen some boards where there is a south bridge heatsink right on the other side of the second PCI-e X16 slot making SLI/Crossfire impossible without removing it.

#13 Murphyslaw4267

Posted 10 March 2008 - 04:25 PM

I still think a full tower would be worth the extra money, but I have trust in Antec's cooling. Looks good besides that. Make sure you use plenty of fans.

Murphyslaw4267

#14 Dark Lancer

Posted 10 March 2008 - 05:58 PM

The antec 900 is a great case. Thats what I have and my whole system, never gets above 35 C. I also have a Zalman heatsink and so my processor never gets above 30C.

#15 pest control

Posted 11 March 2008 - 08:47 PM

1. i would still go with P35 intel motherboard that is crossfire and doesnt support SLI, it works better and way way way better overclocker.
2. the video card, i would get 1 good one than 2 midranges for SLI or crossfire. I would suggest just one nvidia 8800 GTS 512 mb which can handle most of the games and doesnt really need alot of power for expensive powersupply

3. in few weeks the new intel quadrocores should be out, intel q9450 will be almost the same price as your cpu and it will rule 300 times better, that CPU will also do the dishes and vacuum the carpet and cook the dinner itself and...etc, should wait for new quadrocores. if you dont want quadrocore, than get e8500, its new dualcore and has ~15% better performance per clock than e6850, and it overclocks better. just for gaming you would be fine with dualcore, but if your into CAD and rendering or multitasking go quadrocore. I dont know, my philosophy is that if your gona put $2k on that machine, you want more from it than just gaming toy and quadrocores are not that much expensive. the new games that are coming out are being designed based on multithreading and in future it will make difference how many cores you have. for BF2 or BF2142 games, intel e6850 works fine.

#16 Darkwing_X

Posted 11 March 2008 - 11:52 PM

anyone know if dual 9600 GT 512 mb cards (came out a little bit ago) would be better than dual 8800 GT's 512 mb?

#17 pest control

Posted 12 March 2008 - 08:51 AM

nope, 9600GT is in class of old 8600GT...the 8800GT will probably do twice better, check the charts in tomshardware. if you want SLI there is no better choice than 2 X 8800GT 512mb

#18 spookyload

Posted 12 March 2008 - 01:07 PM

Think about the game you are playing also. I have an Asus P5N-E SLI mobo. I went with 2x 8800GTS @ 640megs. Ran like a top, but didn't help at all for BF2. In fact I ran better with SLI disabled for BF2. I pulled the second card and sold it. Also keep in mind that the two video cards are going to generate a lot of heat, and draw tons of power. Since pulling the one card in mine, cooling temps are much nicer and better airflow as well.

#19 Murphyslaw4267

Posted 12 March 2008 - 04:51 PM

The 8800GTS-512 has 128 stream processors each, while the 9600GT has 64 stream processors each. There are more factors like clock speeds, but this is the main difference between cards.

Murphyslaw4267

#20 Darkwing_X

Posted 12 March 2008 - 09:54 PM

Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120MM Cooling Fan 1600RPM 28.0DBA 63.7CFM FDB
In Stock 17749 $14.99 $14.99

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 32BIT DVD OEM
In Stock 22437 $122.44 $122.44

Samsung 226BW 22IN Widescreen LCD Monitor Glossy Black Finish 1680X1050 3000:1 2MS VGA DVI-D HDCP
In Stock 22783 $319.99 $319.99

LG GSA-H54N DVD+RW 18X8X16 DVD-RW 18X6X16 DL 10X DVD Writer IDE 2MB Beige OEM W/ SW
2-5 Business Days 25411 $32.38 $64.76

ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP ATX LGA775 P35 DDR2 1333FSB 2PCI-E16 3PCI 2PCI-E1 SATA2 Sound WLAN Motherboard
In Stock 25851 $166.46 $166.46

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 3.5IN 500GB SATA2 8.5MS 7200RPM 32MB Cache NCQ Hard Drive
In Stock 27144 $120.00 $120.00

Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500 DDR2 2GB 2X1GB DDR2-1066 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit
In Stock 24378 $104.99 $104.99

Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan
In Stock 26415 $170.43 $170.43

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.16GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail *Eta April*
2-5 Business Days 27785 $319.99 $319.99

Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case 900 ATX 9 Drive Bay No PS Top USB2.0 1394 Audio
In Stock 21123 $120.86 $120.86

XFX GeForce 8800GTS 650MHZ 512MB 1.94GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDCP HDTV Out Retail Video
In Stock 27371 $269.99 $269.99

Enviromental Fee: $12.00
Subtotal: $1,806.90
7% PST - BC residents: $126.48
GST(5%): $90.35
YOUR TOTAL: $2,023.73


This is another config,with only 1 stronger video card(although its beefed up in size along with power.) no sound card (I can handle using a on board) different monitor (viewsonic has done wonderfully for me since I've had my current pc.) I also got a stronger processor which was only 5 bucks more basically.seagate HD because my computer lab teacher said it would be a better choice,and it does happen to be cheaper than the Western digital. It also happens to be a few bucks under my max price so it seems like a good setup.(I did calculate taxes and such so.


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