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#1 Catman

Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:46 PM

Hello;

For the last few months, I been thinking/debating about building a custom PC for myself so that I can play the newest games. School has took my time away and also draining my money. Don't really want to pay for a 1.5-2K custom PC right now so, I decided not to act on that and instead, just upgrade my current PC.

Some of the specs:
Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
Processor: Intel® Core™ i3 CPU 550 @ 3.20GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.100618-1621)
Memory: 4096MB RAM
Hard Drive: 485 GB
Sound Card: Can't locate it
Video Card: Intel® HD Graphics - Problem?
Power Supply: Input: 100-127V-8A, 200-240V-4A 50/60hz (No idea what that means, just copied it | Output: 300W max

I am playing games like BF1942 and GTA: San Andreas with low to medium video settings and my FPS bounces a lot. It will go as low as 25 and even if I do renderer.lockfps 100 to bf1942, it will not be stable. This angers me since playing bf1942 with low video settings is not a pretty sight! :)

I want to play games smoothly with desirable video settings. Is that possible here? What do I need to do? Also, it is possible to play games like BF3 and DayZ with this specs? (after some upgrades ofc).

I could use all the help I can get. If you need me to post additional info, let me know.

Thanks a lot!

Catman

#2 X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X

Posted 23 August 2012 - 04:04 PM

omfg ... another long-time gamer with a very weak graphics unit ... shocking

your cpu has 2 cores ... not 4 ....

u need to upgrade your psu to be able to run with even a medium videocard

an 80 dollar psu and a 200 dollar videocard will probably be best for you

geforfce 560 gtx is a good choice

250 to 300 dollars totally, and it will do wonders

you'll be able to play bf3 at an ok framerate with medium setting

Edited by X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X, 23 August 2012 - 04:18 PM.


#3 thee_oddball

Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:10 PM

how much money do you have to work with?

#4 Hornet

Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:12 PM

What X=X said about the PSU is correct, you need to get a better one. 700+W is probably for the best, and they aren't overly expensive.

If you're willing to pay $300 for a video card, the new Geforce GTX 660 Ti is out for that much. The 600 series cards are pretty good.

#5 VetteDude

Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:52 PM

Seconding the request for a budget: with what you're working with, you might just want to build your own. It's not necessarily going to be in the 1.5-2K range. My new rig cost me about $800 (less with some rebates I haven't mailed in yet) and it can play BF3 on all high settings at a great framerate. If you want to look into that avenue, check this out: http://s1002.photobu...rrent=Guide.png

#6 thee_oddball

Posted 24 August 2012 - 12:03 AM

2500k $199
http://www.tigerdire...3161&CatId=6988

ASRock Z75 Pro3 LGA 1155 Intel Z75 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $85
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157304

GTX 480 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit $229 (was $199 yesterday...newegg finally got wise :()
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130759

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W $85
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139021


reuse the rest of your old system (memory maybe not) and you upgraded for a little over $600

there of course cheap routes...let us know your price point :)

#7 DerRaucher

Posted 24 August 2012 - 01:50 AM

You should be fine with a new psu, 600-700watt and a graphic card.

Im sure you wont need more as 300-400 dollar.

#8 Wolf68k

Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:10 AM

Your first problem...Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
As already mentioned we need to know how much money you have to work with. Also what online places you plan to use or if you're planning to buy everything local and if that's the case then maybe if they have an online store we could use that to give you a parts list.


@Everyone making a parts list
Unless he just likes the Canadian flag for whatever reason those parts list are only useful if he is in the USA.
Also why is it that no one ever include the OS in their parts list? More so when the current system is an pre-build in this case Dell where it's likely he can't just reuse the same Win7 on a whole new rig.

#9 VetteDude

Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:53 PM

>Also why is it that no one ever include the OS in their parts list?

Because you don't necessarily have to pay for it ;) That's all I'll say, though.

#10 thee_oddball

Posted 24 August 2012 - 04:28 PM

Don't buy the Fermi(4xx)series cards. Spend a grand and get an i7 2600k 650W PSU, 670, 8gb of ram and 500gb hdd and whatever else you need.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822136769 WD 500gb 70 dollars
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130787 evga gtx 670 407 dollars
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139010 corsair 750w gold rated fully modular 144 dollars
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820233144 corsair vengeance 8gb 1600 can OC on XMP prof. 50 dollars
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157304 asrock z75 w/3.0x16 GPU slot pro 84 dollars (get dat shit)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115070 2600k 300 dollars
1057 total NO CASE CUZ U GOT ITTTT


and don't listen to cream unless you want to pay almost $200 more for 20 fps gain..... as for the 480 they now call them the 570...except the 480 still has more vram and larger bandwidth although the 570 run cooler and are more power efficient...its really 6 and 1 half since they are no longer $300, they dropped the price on the 570's and raised the price on the 480's... :(

#11 thee_oddball

Posted 24 August 2012 - 04:32 PM

>Also why is it that no one ever include the OS in their parts list?

Because you don't necessarily have to pay for it ;) That's all I'll say, though.

your a naughty boy....im telling on you! :applaud: :P , like i said win8 is free till January 15 2013 :)

#12 thee_oddball

Posted 24 August 2012 - 04:35 PM

Your first problem...Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
As already mentioned we need to know how much money you have to work with. Also what online places you plan to use or if you're planning to buy everything local and if that's the case then maybe if they have an online store we could use that to give you a parts list.


@Everyone making a parts list
Unless he just likes the Canadian flag for whatever reason those parts list are only useful if he is in the USA.
Also why is it that no one ever include the OS in their parts list? More so when the current system is an pre-build in this case Dell where it's likely he can't just reuse the same Win7 on a whole new rig.



my first link is from tiger direct :D he can find the same parts there...just might cost a little more :)

#13 Catman

Posted 24 August 2012 - 04:35 PM

First off, thanks for all the posts above helping me. Means a lot.

I made a decision this mourning and that is to make myself a custom build. I will always be busy whatnot so I will get it over with. I called my bank and got the money ready.

My budget is approx. 1000 dollars; 1250 MAX. I do have an account on newegg.ca but I live five minutes away from a Tiger Direct retail store. I will prefer go there to buy parts since I will save money on shipping costs. Creamzor and I were in teamspeak last night and he given me a head start. I am going to take the list he sent me by email and go to Tiger Direct and see what's out there and play around it.

So far I am leading towards this:
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130787
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820233144
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822136769
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115070
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157304
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139010

Edited by Catman, 24 August 2012 - 04:38 PM.


#14 thee_oddball

Posted 24 August 2012 - 06:00 PM

First off, thanks for all the posts above helping me. Means a lot.

I made a decision this mourning and that is to make myself a custom build. I will always be busy whatnot so I will get it over with. I called my bank and got the money ready.

My budget is approx. 1000 dollars; 1250 MAX. I do have an account on newegg.ca but I live five minutes away from a Tiger Direct retail store. I will prefer go there to buy parts since I will save money on shipping costs. Creamzor and I were in teamspeak last night and he given me a head start. I am going to take the list he sent me by email and go to Tiger Direct and see what's out there and play around it.


Nice choice on the MEM,PSU and MB
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820233144 $50
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157304 $85
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139010 $125

if you need 2gigs or more of vram than this card will do the job and be a 100 plus cheaper,GTX 570 (Fermi) HD 2560MB 320-bit GDDR5 $299
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130687

the corsair (seasonic) is a good choice here is another one FSP Group AURUM GOLD 750W (AU-750M) ATX12V/EPS12V Modular Flat Cable, 80 PLUS GOLD, SLI and AMD CrossFireX Certified Compatible with Intel Core i5, i7 http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817104127

another choice is this 700 watt PSU $115 http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817103086

2600? are you doing any kind of movie, sound graphics editing? if so stick with the 2600 if not the 3470 is ivy and $100 cheaper
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115234

120GB SSD $89 http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820211588 (reuse you old HD for storage

$850 SO FAR :) another 100 for OS? how about a case?

#15 thee_oddball

Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:26 AM

some of the stuff from newegg is not available at tiger direct, here are some recommendations

http://www.tigerdire...0739&CatId=4534

http://www.tigerdire...4&sku=I69-3570K

http://www.tigerdire...4769&CatId=7212

http://www.tigerdire...8169&CatId=2534

OR

http://www.tigerdire...4567&CatId=2533

http://www.tigerdire...4370&CatId=3669

OR

http://www.tigerdire...5050&CatId=7387

http://www.tigerdire...7184&CatId=5300

Edited by thee_oddball, 25 August 2012 - 12:29 AM.


#16 thee_oddball

Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:11 AM

Funny, you tell somebody not to listen to somebody who knows exactly what they're talking about and then seriously go and recommend a 4xx series card. I wasn't aware a 480 could run Battlefield 3 on Ultra settings with 40 frames. Oh, that's right, it can't. However, a 670 can at a stable 60, if not more. 4xx series cards are known for being erratic and having very terrible heat dispersion and extremely loud, loose fan speeds. Let's buy a video card that's 4 years out of date. Meanwhile, let's talk about 20FPS gain in an ever consuming and improving market of GPU and CPU intensive games the likes of which include GW2 and Crysis 3. 200 dollars is nothing; it's well worth the extra 4-5 years you'll be getting out of your system. My i7-950 can run 26 instances of WoW before lagging, a 2600k has incredible lithography and can OC extremely well. With a Corsair H100, 750W GR PSU, he'll be looking at 8 years, min, before coming close to an upgrade. It's smarter to spend a little bit extra now than to fork it over later.

P.S. Look at the motherboard 3.0x16 slot. Now look at the GTX 670. See why I picked it?. Right now, a 670 is performing very slightly less than both my gtx 560 2gb SC's in SLI. That, and in 3-4 years, when he decides to upgrade the part that depreciates the fastest, the graphics card, the 670 will probably cost MAYBE 250 dollars.



you talk more shit than a parrot with diarrhoea...

670 vs 570 (same as 480)


Battlefield 3 - 2560x1600 - Ultra Quality + FXAA-High
Frames per Second - Higher is Better
39.7 570
60.9 670


Battlefield 3 - 1920x1200 - Ultra Quality + 4xMSAA
Frames per Second - Higher is Better
42.1 570
62.9 670

Battlefield 3 - 1920x1200 - Ultra Quality + FXAA-High
Frames per Second - Higher is Better
59 570
92 670


Battlefield 3 - 1680x1050 - High Quality + FXAA-High
Frames per Second - Higher is Better.
73 570
117 670

lithography? water cooling? 26 instances of WOW? over clocking? did he mention any of this in his original post? no... he wants an upgrade/new system not PC ExtenZe!

8 years?!?!? are u kidding...PC tech is obsolete by the time it hits the shelf's...its one upgrade after maybe 2 years and then its time for a new PC IF you want to keep up with PC gaming evolution and that $200 he saves now by buying the 480 he can use to buy YOUR 670 when its $250 maybe by that time they will have patched metro 2033 so your 670 can get more than 34 FPS on ultra settings on a game that's already 2 years old.

Edited by thee_oddball, 25 August 2012 - 01:19 AM.


#17 thee_oddball

Posted 25 August 2012 - 04:04 AM

I wasn't talking shit; your selective reading it's pretty damn impressive, though. And it's diarrhea. I'll talk to you through PM, Catman.

"lithography? water cooling? 26 instances of WOW? over clocking? did he mention any of this in his original post? no... he wants an upgrade/new system not PC ExtenZe!"

What the fuck are you talking about? Your sense of sensationalism and irrationality is impressive. Why would he mention it in his original post when I first mentioned it in mine to further my argument against YOU. You know, oddball, your post that came chronologically after his? The frame rate debate is irrelevant in the first place. The 4xx series cards are shit. And now the 5xx series cards are apparently equivalent to the 480? Nope. Not in terms of performance or stability. So, not only is your post WRONG to begin with, because the 480 wouldn't be pulling those frames, you went and posted proof to even further my point (MORE than 20FPS gain).

obsolete: No longer produced or used; out of date.

i.e. Not useless. Yes, "out of date" by the time it hits the shelves. This doesn't require you an upgrade because it still has usability. You arguing otherwise is ridiculous. Really? Two years after the initial build? Because that gtx 670 and i7-2600k are going to be so "obsolete" in two years that I bet you're going to have to break down and buy a whole new set of components! I ran my last system for eight years and had absolutely no issues, even with the constant push for PC upgrades.

"...that $200 he saves now by buying the 480 he can use to buy YOUR 670 when its $250 maybe by that time they will have patched metro 2033 so your 670 can get more than 34 FPS on ultra settings on a game that's already 2 years old."

Right...but if he already has a 670 now and buys another to SLI it, he'll be running two 670's instead of one, which, in two years time would be obsolete anyway. That means, according to you, it can't be used because it would be a year or two old. So in the long run, he's still ultimately saving more money. Please just stop; your ignorance is baffling.

http://www.tomshardw...rk,3193-11.html
In Metro 2033, the 670 gets more than 34 frames as is. Stop.


there is douchebaggery afoot...your wrong..admit it, apologise and move along :)
570 specs
Chipset Manufacturer
NVIDIA

GPU
GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi)

Core Clock
732MHz

Shader Clock
1464MHz

CUDA Cores
480



480 specs:


Chipset Manufacturer
NVIDIA

GPU
GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi)

Core Clock
700MHz

Shader Clock
1401MHz

CUDA Cores
480

hmmmmmmmm whats this... in case you still wondering here is more proof...of course you don't need that do you cream...because YOU know what you're talking about.

http://www.anandtech...duct/309?vs=306 the only thing the 570 is really better at is power and heat dissipation.

and here is the 570 vs the 670
METRO 2033 2560X1600 dx11 Very high quality +AAA/16xAF 34 FPS for the 670 and 24 for the 570
http://www.anandtech...duct/518?vs=598

and you know exactly what i am talking about your the one who made the dramatic statement about water cooling and lithography and WOW in order to justify your position.

if the 480 is shit why is it still in the top 10 of "high end video cards"? http://www.videocard...h_end_gpus.html speaking of usability do you think the 3570 and 480 will not be usable in 2 years? outdated of course but usable and the same apply's to buying a cheap 480 a year or so from now and running it in SLI

speaking of ignorance...were is the 670 in this bench?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-690-benchmark,3193-11.html
In Metro 2033, the 670 gets more than 34 frames as is. Stop.


admit when your wrong and for god sake if you going to post a bench make sure its about the card in question.

#18 Wolf68k

Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:54 AM

Ok enough. This isn't helping at all.

#19 thee_oddball

Posted 25 August 2012 - 10:23 AM

Ok enough. This isn't helping at all.

with the advice or the personal attacks?;) @cream I have proved my points but do rant on though.. :cens:

#20 X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X

Posted 25 August 2012 - 10:38 AM

hah !

a nerd battle on pc hardware knowledge ... classic ! ... delightful ! ... thrilling !


Kriimsoar mah boyy !! ... please bear in mind that i respect & love you when reading this :



don't get too confident 'n' cocky young man ... everything that comes out of your mouth aren't words of a god ...



Funny, you tell somebody not to listen to somebody who knows exactly what they're talking about.


sometimes but not always ... see quote 2,3,4 ..

My i7-950 can run 26 instances of WoW before lagging


at the very lowest setting maybe, not at full setting ... u should have mentioned that ... i have a rig thats near identical to yours and just tested it

a 2600k has incredible lithography and can OC extremely well. With a Corsair H100, 750W GR PSU, he'll be looking at 8 years, min, before coming close to an upgrade.



bullcrap ... extremely unlikely. processing power for both gpus and cpus generally doubles every two years, meaning that after eight years, a top-of-the-line cpu / gpu will only have about 1/16 or 6.3 % (i'll be nice and say 10 %) the calculating power of a current top-of-the-line cpu / gpu. in other terms; grotesquely outdated and a complete disaster. additionally new cpus come with new instruction sets that the old ones don't have, making them even faster. and old gpus don't support new versions of directX / OpenGL, makin them even slower or completely unable to run modern games.

I ran my last system for eight years and had absolutely no issues, even with the constant push for PC upgrades.



issues ? ..... what issues ?

pc hardware wear failures ? overheating ? malware ? discontinued driver support ? all these are irrelevant ... you MUST refer to overall gpu / cpu performance, right ?

if you do, then you're wrong. looking at your current specs, it looks like you had that previous system from 2001 to 2009 or so. any home system bought in 2001, no matter how powerful, would be very outdated in 2006, and be a complete disaster in 2009.

even if you did upgrade everything but your motherboard, your cpu would be ultra weak by 2009.

and major upgrades that includes everything but the motherboard are stupid. it's smarter and more economical to buy an new system.


so after 5 to 8 years you HAD perfomance issues.


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